Convince Me to Buy a CGC 9.8 Ultimate Fallout #4 (Good Luck)

by Ryan Kirksey

UF4-195x300 Convince Me to Buy a CGC 9.8 Ultimate Fallout #4 (Good Luck)“It’s true. All of it.” What you may have heard or seen in recent weeks is actually, in fact, happening. There is a modern comic out there from about nine years ago that is approaching a fair market value of $1,000 at a CGC 9.8 grade. GoCollect currently lists Ultimate Fallout #4 with an FMV of only $450, but once that number catches up with recent sales data, it is sure to skyrocket.

Recent Ultimate Fallout Data

Just browsing the most recently sold copies on eBay, the last 10 copies of UF #4 first print in a CGC 9.8 sold for an average of $822 (as of the afternoon of June 10th). That number reflects prices back to May 25th, when a copy sold for $725 all the way to June 9th when a copy sold for an unbelievable $980. That is a 35% price increase in just two weeks. If I scroll back just to the end of March, the same book was selling for around $400-$425.

Keep in mind, this is a modern book with plenty of supply. There are almost 5,800 copies on just the CGC census, with almost 1,900 of those registered as 9.8 blue or yellow labels. In addition, the print run on the first edition was about 74,000 initially, according to It was the second most copies of any Marvel book published that month, more than both copies of Amazing Spider-Man, Uncanny X-Men, Avengers, and Captain America. Marvel knew it would be a hot item, so it produced accordingly. Supply is not an issue.

But I’m sure never in their wildest dreams did Marvel imagine that based on the popularity of Sony’s Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse it would become a book that carries this much heat.

The Dilemma

So here’s my dilemma. I can see no rational reason to buy this book at this grade at this moment in time. For those of you who feel differently, please change my mind.

I’m going to pretend for a few moments that I have a PayPal account loaded with about $800-$1,000 ready to spend. Let’s also pretend that I am interested in buying a Spider-man comic book for speculative purposes (If you’re buying a UF #4 to own and read, you aren’t buying a slabbed 9.8). What would be the reason I would buy UF #4 in a 9.8 grade instead of the following:

ASM #2ASM14-198x300 Convince Me to Buy a CGC 9.8 Ultimate Fallout #4 (Good Luck) – First appearance of Vulture. FMV of CGC 2.5 is $900
ASM #3 – First appearance of Dr. Octopus. FMV of CGC 2.0 is $1,000
ASM #9 – First appearance of Electro. FMV of CGC 6.0 is $1,000
ASM #14 – First appearance of Green Goblin. FMV of CGC 3.5 is $1,000
ASM #20 – First appearance of Scorpion. FMV of CGC 7.0 is $900
ASM #31 – First appearance of Gwen Stacy and Harry Osbourne. FMV of CGC 8.5 is $800
ASM #50 – First appearance of Kingpin. FMV of CGC 7.5 is $975
ASM #129 – First appearance of Punisher. FMV of CGC 7.0 is $925

Spider-Man, and especially Silver Age Spider-Man, is the ultimate blue-chip stock. ASM #3, for example, has risen in market value by 57% in the past 10 years and 39% in just the past five years. ASM #50 is an example on the low end as it has only grown by 17% in the past 10 years.

“But,” you might say, “I bought UF #4 for four bucks and now I can sell it for hundreds!” And you would be correct. Today. Can you be assured UF #4 will be able to sell for that amount five years from now? Ten? There are decades of data on these early Spider-Man issues.

Increased Demand for Ultimate Fallout is Just a Bubble

According to, a stock market bubble is a rapid escalation of asset prices followed by a contraction, often created by a surge in asset prices that is fundamentally unwarranted. What generally follows these bubbles? A market correction which leads to a massive sell-off of assets

In my opinion, this issue is the very definition of an inflated stock bubble. There are unsustainable drivers pushing the price up such as the recent Sony movie, it was CGC’s featured comic of the month in January 2019, and was featured on Key Collector Comics‘ Hot Keys list. These are snapshots in time; far from assurances of long-term interest.

SM1-195x300 Convince Me to Buy a CGC 9.8 Ultimate Fallout #4 (Good Luck)But even more than this, we must differentiate the fact that this is only the first appearance of Miles Morales, not the first appearance of Spider-Man or some new and interesting hero. For comparison, last year’s Spider-Man #1 introduced Peter Parker’s son as the new Spider-Man as well as a new villain. Do we expect the same demand in a few years for the issue? What if there’s a movie?

Invest in a Sure Thing

Go ahead, call me a modern hater, call me a snob, a traditionalist, or whatever name comes to mind. Personally, if I’ve got a grand sitting around waiting to be used on the web-slinger, give me the Silver Age classics all day, every day.

To be clear, I have no issue with people buying this book or being fans of this book. The character and upgrades it brings are interesting, the movie was a cinematic success, and it is a new and diverse take on an old school character. My issue is given the history we have seen with spiking modern books, and the fact that people keep buying this book at higher and higher prices, this is the absolute wrong time to buy Ultimate Fallout #4. Wait for the bubble to deflate.

Give me your best shot. Why should I by buying this book right now at this price? Let me know in the comments.


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Miguel June 11, 2020 - 1:24 pm

Great article. I feel the same way too. Had a bought a 9.8 CGC copy at 400$ not too long ago, I would sell it at 800-900 $ right away. New Mutants 98 has also have highs and lows. Not sure of the highest ever on record but I’m sure it went down after the first deadpool movie. Still a nice book to have at the right low price.

Voodoo Maestro June 11, 2020 - 1:29 pm

You nailed it. The bubble will burst. I’d rather have a low grade classic than a modern book that basically only exists in high grade. Who cares if it’s a 9.8 when there’s a ton of them?

Jack June 17, 2020 - 10:48 pm

Well, it’s a low print. Not that many out there. Also, Miles Morales may prove to be the greatest character of the modern era. This book was severely undervalued for a long time. This is not a bubble. This is investors and collectors waking up.

Ryan Kirksey June 18, 2020 - 9:54 am

I think you and I must have different opinions of what “a long time” means. This book is less than nine years old and we have a month of demand and price boom that we are going off of. The reason why I would personally spend that money on silver age is we have 55 years of data telling us what the value will do. It is a key, no doubt, I just hesitate to drop that much on it right now.

Apocalyptic_P June 11, 2020 - 1:50 pm

Agree 100%

Scott June 11, 2020 - 2:00 pm

Love the character, love the book, love the grade, hate the price.

It seems there’s been quite a few bubbles recently since this lockdown/quarantine started. I think you’re right that waiting will produce better prices.

Brian Driver June 11, 2020 - 2:39 pm

Nailed this one Ryan! I cannot believe that people are buying this for 800.00 plus…you are 100% correct on grabbing SA Keys not only from ASM but pretty much any SA main titles. I think Daredevil and FF along with ASM’ s and Hulk are the way to go.

Ryan Kirksey June 11, 2020 - 2:41 pm

I am gonna be watching this for a while to see where the price goes. But I completely agree in investing in the commodities with a longer track record.

Ivan Roliz June 11, 2020 - 2:44 pm

I agree, it could be the next X-23 1st appearance was around $900.00 it is down to $700.00. Sure this is a large price but I think this is a bubble. Please be cautious when spend $800.00 for this book.

E-rich J-cobs June 13, 2020 - 12:14 pm

NYX 3 had a print run of about 40k. If she would have taken off the value would have sustained or might have kept increasing. Only time will tell if Marvel and sony do more to Push Miles ahead of Peter

Kevin Fields June 11, 2020 - 3:03 pm

I think you are frankly wrong when you say “But even more than this, we must differentiate the fact that this is only the first appearance of Miles Morales, not the first appearance of Spider-Man or some new and interesting hero.” Miles is “new” to millions of people who first were introduced to him in the movie. And he is interesting to the millions of minority comic book fans.

Ryan Kirksey June 11, 2020 - 5:21 pm

Absolutely Miles is new, as you stated. That was my point. I would go even as far to say that he is a “new Spiderman,” but you can’t just take a 60 year old character and call him new, at least in my opinion. And if there are millions of people who were introduced to him in the movie, doesn’t that mean there were not millions of people who were introduced to Peter Parker as Spider-Man in Homecoming and Far From Home? I would think (just my opinion, of course) that people who are introduced to Spider-Man in any of these last five year movies would not stop at UF4 when they look back at Spider-Man’s past, but will keep going all the way back to his origins. I guess that’s why I say if I have a grand to spend on Spider-Man, I’m going all in on the Silver Age. But the idea that he appeals to minority comic fans is also undeniable. That combined with the game announcement today (which definitely doesn’t help my case!) certainly weighs heavily on the other side. It’s something I will be fascinated to watch over the years.

Wafdawg June 15, 2020 - 10:15 am

On the opposite of the spectrum, the parabolic move is still in motion. Will there be a pullback? Certainly. But that pullback price could still be higher than today’s price. Just my experience from stocks and bitcoin.

Fred Bruno June 11, 2020 - 4:28 pm

I think you are seeing a similar but more muted response with Edge of Spiderverse 2 as well.

Steven Moore June 11, 2020 - 4:45 pm

I agree with Kevin. This is the first appearance of the modern spider-man–the one kids are dressing up as, the one kids want to be. I collect almost exclusively Silver Age spider-man (I own most of the issues you named above), and even I like the Miles Morales spider-man best.

As for current prices of UF4, they are steep but the demand is real and possibly sustainable. This is not movie-related hype: that appreciation happens before the movie, not afterward. I’m 50/50 over whether UF4 9.8 is a better buy vs. the comparably priced ASM 14 or 129. ASM 31, on the other hand, is criminally undervalued and always has been. ASM 10 price is way too low also. The Enforcers will appear sooner or later in a movie (they feature early and often in the B.M. Bendis Ultimate Spider-man comics, which is a good indicator they will show up in a movie), and there is a striking disparity in the price of this first appearance vs all other early ASM first appearances.

My one caveat is that there seems to be a big uptick in day-trading in the stock market, owing to people being at home all day, which has made markets volatile. If something similar is happening with comics, then all bets are off.

Mr. Long/Short June 11, 2020 - 4:58 pm

I have a very difficult time following this argument. I’ve been trading markets my entire life and there is a lot miss understanding out there. I am not going to get into it here but let me just leave two examples. New Mutants #98 and Amazing Spider-Man #300. Two book with substantially higher print runs selling for more than Ultimate Fallout #4. I think Miles is probably as good of a bet that there is out there. These prices don’t seem out of line to me at all. Like all books it will rise and fall over time but I think the long-term trajectory is only up for this book. Just my two cents.

Miguel June 11, 2020 - 5:28 pm

@Mr. Long/Short. Good comparisons. Ultimate Fallout #4 will maintain it’s value and stabalize probably around NM#98 levels or more if Marvel uses him alot in the future. The print run is a factor. There is a higher % of 9.8 copies of Ultimate Fallout #4 (a whopping 33,5% of graded copies, total of 1,867 already and more to come), than New Mutants #98 (20,2% of graded copies, total of 3,731) and ASM #300 (only 5,7% of graded copies, total of 1,312). ASM #300 is a steady 1800-2000$, NM #98 is around 700$, rarely bellow recently. Does anyone know print runs ? Personnaly, I have switched to Silver Age collecting while prices are still accessible. I can always buy modern keys and there are plenty, even a bronze key like Hulk #181 is not rare.

Ryan Kirksey June 11, 2020 - 5:30 pm

Good thoughts here. Thanks for that data.

Brian June 11, 2020 - 5:45 pm

Do we think that ASAM 300 in a 9.8 is still a good long term hold? Say 3500.00 book in 10 years? I had a 9.2 and sold as I do not hold onto any modern non-9.8 books…99% of the time…

Ryan Kirksey June 11, 2020 - 6:06 pm

My unresearched opinion is that ASM 300 is a good medium term hold because Venom is not going anywhere and should appear on multiple platforms over the next 5+ years.

Miguel June 11, 2020 - 6:07 pm

@Brian. It will go up in value for sure with time because of it’s importance. Classic cover, first Venom, McFarlane art. Also if Venom comes to the MCU, it might gain some more value. In 10 years from now when the Venow movies are done and the hype is gone I can see it at 2500-2700 $, but not as high as 3500 $. It’s a hard book to find in 9.8 on 5,7% of graded copies so that’S a big advantage). Go look at historical data. If memory serves me right at the height of the Venom craze about 2-3 years ago, high sales were at 3 000 $. The prices have fallen back to normal levels especially since the movie was just okay and not in the MCU. There is alot of investment choices now for collectors like ASM 361 and multiple other spec books on upcoming movies. ASM 300 will alway be a modern grail and good to have. I had 5 copies of ASM 300 sold them all to get silver age keys like Silver Surfer 1, ASM #14, FF #48. I have no regrets since those books have gone up alot in the last coupable of years. I will eventually get a 9.4 copy of ASM 300 for my collection just to say I have it LOL, it’s good enough for me, I don’t need a 9.8. My 2 cents.

skip melton June 11, 2020 - 9:46 pm

Agree but where is ASM 28 on your list?

Ryan Kirksey June 11, 2020 - 9:53 pm

Great question. You can get an 8.0 in this price range on ASM 28. That book is interesting because it is so hard to find in a high grade because of the black cover.

Daniel Genest June 11, 2020 - 9:47 pm

A book that doubled in a month is NOT a safe bet.Those who want to pay todays price thinking it might double again if not more???? »Be my guest and buy it.Most that are saying it is still time to invest in that book probably have some to sell.I know of at least 3 guys who have 100 raw copies of that book.They certainly aren’t the only ones with 10 copies or more.So expect to see a TON of 9.6’s in the future and quite a few more 9.8’S out of all those hoardings.Most of those people were taken by surprise by the sudden jump in price/value and didn’t had time to send their books for pressing/grading.NOW they have a VERY big incentive to do so.Those who REALLY wanted that book had almost 9 years to find one.The ones buying at preent prices are people who thought that 400$ was too high for that book and missed out.They now see the book going up and think that they better buy it now if they want to make money out of it.Speculators selling to speculators and would*be investors.Too late THAT boat has sailed.

Mark V June 12, 2020 - 1:16 am

Better get the UF 4 variant than the regular cover. That’s the one to get.

DerelDazes June 12, 2020 - 7:41 pm

Agreed about the UF4 2nd prints. I believe the print runs are lower on these and there are less in the cgc census. I think collectors will eventually prefer the covers with Miles’ face as well. Possible Hulk 377 situation? I grabbed a stack of these at 10 a pop only two years ago, seems to be all upside and no downside to these and they are still somewhat affordable. Also, thoughts on returns on both UF4 and ASM 300 in 9.6? Possible better return on your money on ships that have already sailed for 9.8s?

Ryan Kirksey June 13, 2020 - 12:32 am

If I had to choose between ASM 300 and UF4 in a 9.6 I would personally choose the ASM 300. UF4 in that grade crossed $500 today and will likely follow the trend lines of the 9.8s, but 300s are no over $700 and I feel have more room to grow. Just my opinion…

knp June 12, 2020 - 2:13 pm

Sheesh, Gocollect — take long enough to update your FMV numbers…

Ryan Kirksey June 13, 2020 - 12:37 am

I have spoken to some people on this and have also seen them comment that they are working diligently on the issue. The prices are going up so far so fast that it’s difficult for any database to keep up. Thanks!

Chris June 13, 2020 - 8:59 am

9.8’s already selling for over $1,200 yesterday, this comic is moving up so fast. I personally think it’s going to continue rising the next few years because he will continue to grow in popularity, just my opinion.

Ariel Lazo June 12, 2020 - 6:16 pm

Great post Ryan! I actually own two UF4 that I bought at about $35 raw and one at $50 8.5 CGC graded. I did have the other graded and got a 9.6. With that said. I plan on holding on to one and maybe selling the other while the iron is hot. I do believe that this book will dip in value but will continue to be a hot book. As many have said, this is this generation’s Spider-Man. BUT I still say that Silver Age Classics are always the way to go. So I would not buy UF4 at the current price but I do say it is a book to own down the line. Great Post as always!

Ryan Kirksey June 12, 2020 - 6:46 pm

Thanks Ariel! I would absolutely love to have one as well. I think people took this as I don’t have an interest in the book. The opposite is actually true, I would love to have one, but I just can’t pull the trigger right now. I don’t have faith I would be able to get out from underneath it in the future.

Derel Dazes June 12, 2020 - 7:56 pm

Since I literally have 1000 in Mercari waiting to spend, I have to agree with this post as Ive been struggling where to spend it myself. I have been very tempted to pull the trigger on a UF4 9.8. I think Miles is easily the most important character in the last 10 to 20 years and shows a change not only in comics but in society in general. In time, I believe UF4 will be treated the same way as ASM 121 in the sense that it ushered in a new era for our favorite American Art form. This era being the era of diversity not only being represented in comics but being embraced by the public as well. This book will be huge in the long run due to the character’s popularity and historical significance. That being said, unless you plan to hold for quite some time, I think this book is currently incredibly over valued at 800+ considering how many are slabbed and how many come in at a 9.8, whereas SA keys in 8.0s are often priced exactly the same. Reminiscent of a pump and dump if you ask me.

Ryan Kirksey June 13, 2020 - 12:40 am

I certainly think the current cultural environment we are living in helps this book right now. I find it great that so many (especially younger) comic fans are finding out about the character. But I think I’m like you in that if I don’t have one right now, I am waiting for softening of prices before jumping in.

Brian June 13, 2020 - 3:42 am

Jump in price on a 9.8? Thinking 500.00 to 600.00? I do not see it dropping below 600.00 really but you never know!!! Maybe 9.6’s are the way to go? Also to throw another question in on such a great chain…best one I have seen in awhile…thoughts on Punchline first appearance? Likely to go to 300.00 over next two-three years? I do not know the print run but I see her as a long term character in DC…thoughts?

Burt D Mone June 13, 2020 - 1:08 pm

I’d be able to answer this question of why it is a trending comic. But there would be too much controversy in my explanation. You are partly right in the asset price bubble being a component.

TheDude June 13, 2020 - 3:27 pm

Great article Ryan. I’ve collected for many years, mostly to retain, but a few as investment. I bought 2 UF4’s a few years ago, 1 in 9.8 and 1 in 9.6 because my favorite character is Spider-Man and this is a key issue. I never had any intention on selling for a long time, but your write-up on the price escalation really made me look at it hard. I listed my 9.6 today and it sold for $500 in under 10 minutes – Crazy!

I truly think this book will retain good value in the years to come, but with the print run I just can’t see it maintaining the value in the short / medium term. I’m on the fence with the 9.8 as I definitely want to own the book for my collection but figure I can always pick it up later at a lower price when the market catches back up.

wafdawg June 15, 2020 - 4:39 pm

What price do you realistically think you can pick up a 9.8 in the future?

Ryan Kirksey June 15, 2020 - 5:12 pm

I can certainly see the book settling back down to the $500-$700 range. It is a modern key after all, but we have crossed the $1,400 barrier now and I just don’t personally see that as sustainable. Hard to tell though with so little to compare it to.

Brian June 15, 2020 - 5:31 pm

1400.00!!! I have one for sell if anyone wants it for 1400.00!!!! OMG!!!!

Wafdawg June 18, 2020 - 3:41 pm

That’s my entire point when i referenced stocks and bitcoin. Prices can get away from you. That’s always the bigger risk. Not overpaying. $500-700 for a 9.8 is gone. $900 + is probably realistic.

ela July 11, 2020 - 3:40 pm

Of course all significant comics generally go up and down in price constantly. I believe we now have the old skool collectors aging nicely with their long time grafting of silver and golden age comic collections programmed to believe they have their retirment money but the new skool doesnt want this. Society has changed and many diverse characters are being pushed up front and the new money is following. Of course golden/silver age comics are absolutely desirable but high grades just dont always exist at sensible money. The modern age era has finished under our watch and the new unnamed age is here whether we like it or not. Ult Fallout 4 will go to many thousands of pounds but old skool collectors will force prices down. New skool will force it back up again. PS I love printed comics.

Jay July 20, 2020 - 2:08 am

To Me

This is the perfect article and example of someone thats stuck in their old ways and its going to cost them

This man goes on to Name all these silver age spiderman books thats are the same price as Fallout 4, the problem he doesint understand is all those silver age people his naming and Superheros Payout Way More Than Villians when it comes to Comics

Second, he does not understand what a Generational Impact Character Miles is, his comparing him to Peter Parkers Son? Just shows you how out of touch this man is. Miles Morales Embodies this Generation.

This worst part of this article and this man is he think that this “Bubble” is going to pop anytime soon. HA! You have to be a clown to think that. By the the time this “Bubble” pops, his going to need a Co Signer to be able to afford a copy. Goodluck waiting for this “Bubble” to pop when its parents are Disney and Marvel

madison July 22, 2020 - 5:22 am

i do think the media is telling us joe public, that miles is, to quote Jay ” a Generational Impact Character”. The same is being said about Kamala Kahn whom i also like and admire. Her stories that have similar feel to early spiderman peter parker. These new characters are being quickly and expertly crafted in this age of impatience, profit etc. Miles and Kamala and others are the future of comics be it printed or digital. Indeed the sight of hijab covered muslim teenagers in comic stores seeking out Kamala story lines and black youth seeking out Miles stories as well as non targeted white audiences is pure awesome. Peter Parker will always be the most important as without him and his kind we would not be here now talking about new diverse characters. Older collectors and speccies are in my opinion grieved about these changes as they have always thought these original stories were just for them as they grew up with them. The new generation with their money are collecting, speccing what they want due to media influence and if they stay with the hobby will learn about comic history and search out older comics hopefully by visiting comic stores rather than just online. Modern life is about a fast buck when it should be about collecting and holding something important to you and eventually selling if you have to. Not about ‘pump and dump’ which is the Ebay influence when in fact Ebay and their kind are taking a large percentage of the punters profit creating ideals of more business orientated and not a hobby. Collecting is exciting regardless of a new or old book. We collectors come in all forms and collect everything. Media has chinked into this desire and realised they can make a fast buck then move on once the market bubble implodes. This has always been the case. If it does it will bounce back. It doesnt matter if you primarily collect as a hobby and like seeing what you have increase in price knowing prices can drop overnight and then increase massively very quickly due to outside influence. Such is modern life. Buy Ultimate Fallout 4 at the price you can afford and tuck away for 5 or 10 years. If finances allow buy a low grade Amazing fantasy 15 and do the same. Both will be important. Both will be an asset.

hellborndemons August 17, 2020 - 2:18 am

Whilst I believe the prices have nearly reached their peak, I still see value in the 2nd prints at a 9.8

At 9.6 and below, ASM 300 is far better value. The trick is not to get too caught up in the latest and greatest thing, rather look for the undervalued and rising stocks 🙂

ryan January 22, 2021 - 11:10 am

Ultimate Fallout 4 Variant is approaching $20,000 perhaps by this year in 9.8. Gulp

Erick February 24, 2021 - 1:53 pm

….. And 8 months later this book in 9.8 has more than doubled with no sign of slowing down. 😑

Erick February 24, 2021 - 1:55 pm

…. And now 8 months later this book in 9.8 has more than doubled in value. 😑

msteele583 March 7, 2021 - 4:40 pm

Copies of Ultimate Fallout #4 are at or over $2,500 each now, so $1000 in July would have been a pretty good investment. I suspect it will continue to increase in value, although perhaps at a slower rate.

Jameson March 8, 2021 - 2:13 am

What is everybody’s comment today lol

Visive N March 14, 2021 - 9:14 am

Without question many books are rapidly going AWOL with pricing. I do not think anyone yet knows the real reason. Brick and mortar comic stores may soon have a real dilemma with the release of weekly new comics. Do they sell a $4 1st print or even 2nd print at cover price or at $100 potentially losing customers who wont pay, as any comic can rise in this mad era. I have a feeling as a long term collector from childhood that Ultimate fallout 4 nm 9.4 grade and upwards will soon be at $10,000 and the 1in25 after a live action movie will climb and not fall in price massively to $50,000 plus and will stay a blue chip for decades as a hard to obtain book for true collectors and not pump and dumpers. Presently far too many people are obsessed with 9.8 grades and in my view 9.4 and 9.6 can be underpriced. What we really have to wait for is the impact after live movie appearances of all these new ‘diverse’ characters and wait a couple of years afterwards. I suspect the hoarders will do very well. This is not modern age anymore it is the media age and seems to be playing by new rules. As stated by other contributors Asian countries are becoming interested in these new characters and all new hyperbole levels of prices will happen to many books including copper, bronze, silver etc for many new potentially thousands of collectors to hold as assets. Miles morales at the moment has the magic touch and may have it forever. Only time will tell as with everything.

Brian March 24, 2021 - 11:22 am

So, this has aged well.

Steve July 18, 2021 - 9:39 pm

Wow, what’s a variant UF4 going for these days? LOL, wonder what he has to say now.

Darling Baby August 17, 2021 - 8:11 pm

So do you feel dumb yet? (GOOD LUCK) 🙄

Brian Chew August 19, 2021 - 8:40 pm

any update on your thoughts now?


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