Cameo vs. Full Appearance: Incredible Hulk 180 vs.181

by Norman Robinson III

Inc-Hulk-181-201x300 Cameo vs. Full Appearance: Incredible Hulk 180 vs.181There is no mightier superhero than Wolverine to stride out of the Bronze Age. Perhaps the X-Men as a team is close, but Wolverine is the lone standout. It got so bad in the 80s we really started to hate this character with his bombastic, “I am the best there is at what I do, and what I do isn’t very nice!” Yep, after twenty years of this character, I was done with him.

Then Hugh Jackman took the helm in the X-Men movies (it doesn’t matter which they all have the same storyline) and lit a fire under Wolverine. His transformation of Wolverine into a living breathing person was fun to watch and made me like the character again. Wolverine first appeared in Incredible Hulk #180 in a cameo; then a full appearance in Incredible Hulk #181. In a head to head matchup which has the best trend returns, cameo, or full appearance?




Inc-Hulk-181-201x300 Cameo vs. Full Appearance: Incredible Hulk 180 vs.181Incredible Hulk #181

The first full appearance of Wolverine was in Incredible Hulk #181. He has been the King of the Bronze Age all these many years. It is the ultimate key for a Bronze Age collector. This Bronze Age antihero lead the pack of anti-heroes into the Marvel Universe and someone forgot to close the door. Yep, anti-heroes are a dime a dozen now in every story. Back in the 70s, it seemed very cutting edge; but now simply boring and formulaic. Incredible Hulk #181 was written by Len Wein with pencils by Heb Trimpe and the inks of Jack Abel in 1974. Considering this book is the first full appearance, we can expect to see big sales data in our spreadsheet.





Inc-Hulk-180-201x300 Cameo vs. Full Appearance: Incredible Hulk 180 vs.181Incredible Hulk #180

The first cameo of Wolverine is in Incredible Hulk #180. This comic was also written by Len Wein and pencils by Herb Trimpe and is a very strong key in its own right. How will it match up against its younger brother, the most powerful comic of the Bronze Age?







Title Grade Last Sale CGC Census Return
Incredible Hulk #180 9.8 $14,250 on 5/27/20 49 +119.2%
6.5 $550 on 6/13/20 351 +63.7%
Incredible Hulk #181 9.8 $31,200 on 3/8/20 134 +108%
6.5 $3,300 on 6/11/20 981 +67.4%

What I find truly interesting about this matchup is that the cameo has better returns (slightly better) and the first full appearance has 100’s of more books in inventory. My analysis is that there are 13,238 books in CGC Census inventory is probably all she wrote for Incredible Hulk #181. I know there are a ton of owners of raw copies but those rarely hit the market, most of the issues are circulating the CGC highway (eBay). This leads me to the conclusion that the cameo Incredible Hulk #180 has more room to run; hence, it will continue to outpace the returns of the first full appearance. Though it will probably never catch up in value. It is very interesting to note you can make slightly greater trend returns with the cameo at half the risk.

wolvie-OG-237x300 Cameo vs. Full Appearance: Incredible Hulk 180 vs.181Conclusion

The comic book Incredible Hulk #180 first cameo of Wolverine has a lot of room to run. If we assume that same amount of outstanding books as Incredible Hulk #181 then we should see similar results overtime even in terms of narrowing the price gap.

If you think about it these cameos were not as popular 8 years ago. We were still in the height of Marvel MCU mania but only when the Millenials started buying second appearances, and cameos did these books catch on. For instance, a 9.8-grade Incredible Hulk #180  sold for $1,613 back on 7/27/2012. I know it makes you want to scream into someone’s hat, doesn’t it?! Many of us just missed the opportunity.

Do not underestimate the Millenials, they are a different breed closer to the WWII generation (this is a compliment) with great ability and foresight perhaps more than any generation before or since. Ignore them and their buying habits at your peril. Wolverine is still the mightest of the anti-heroes but now we need to be a tad more respectful of his cameo, you got that bub?!



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Mario d June 19, 2020 - 8:47 pm

Foom #2…

Norman Robinson III June 23, 2020 - 6:24 pm

I will take a look. Thanks for reading. Nam

Paul Larsen June 19, 2020 - 10:23 pm

Nice article, what does your finding of #182 keeping pace? I was extremely lucky to buy high end 180/182 AND an ASM 129(punisher) at a con 12yrs ago for $500cdn !

Norman Robinson III June 23, 2020 - 6:23 pm

I did an article on 182 quite a while ago, seems like now is a good time to revisit. Nice catch on both for $500 at that con, even back then a #180 was not cheap. Thanks for Reading. Nam

Norman Robinson III July 3, 2020 - 8:39 am

I will be doing Incredible Hulk #182 for you in the next two weeks. Keep an eye out. Nam

ArmyVet2006 June 20, 2020 - 10:17 pm

Thank you for writing this blog, its something I have been going around and around about for about 6 months now. It started with X-men 266 vs X-men Ann 14 “Gambit”, then Hulk 180 vs 181. You gave me a new perspective on how I feel about cameo’s and I never thought about 2nd appearances. This could open up some new opportunities for me in how I collect…

Norman Robinson III June 23, 2020 - 6:21 pm

Yeah, the second appearance trend is a positive one. My personal favorite is Tomb of Dracula #12 (second Blade appearance). Thanks for reading and good luck with the “new opportunities.”

Norman Robinson III July 3, 2020 - 8:36 am

Good luck! By expanding your potential hunt, it makes the whole search even more fun. Thanks for reading. Nam

ResidentGames June 26, 2020 - 11:02 am

I have # 180 if some one want to buy this my mail

Norman Robinson III July 3, 2020 - 8:26 am

Sorry, I can’t really respond to this. Be sure to use our website to help you sell it. thanks for reading, Nam


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